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The Truth About Bottled Water -- Part 1

Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:58 PM EDT
health, bottled-water, tap-water, municipal-water, water-quality-testing
By Dowser

Don't forget to look for the source of the water in bottled water. Make sure that you buy water from a municipal water supply! Photo from letsgetgreen@wordpress.com.

An artesian well is one that operates under pressure, so that the water level in the well is above the bottom of the impermeable geologic formation. The word "artesian" is not a statement of water quality.

A perched water table may yield water to a spring-- but spring water is water that travels through geologic formations to a point at the surface. The term "spring" is not used as a term for water quality.

A municipal water supply listed on a bottle of water means that the water has undergone strict laboratory testing to meet EPA's stringent water quality standards.

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Is bottled water safer than tap water? Is tap water dangerous? Are we all being poisoned by our municipal water supplies? The answer is No, No, and No. All of us have seen bottled water in the supermarket aisles, in beverage machines, and it is often available to purchase at restaurants. But, is bottled water any better for us than regular tap water?

The water that we buy in bottles is water from any source of supply that has been placed in a bottle by a company that is hoping to sell its product. It is not regulated by the US Environmental Protection Agency, but by the Food and Drug Administration. The water that is in bottled water does not have to go through any laboratory testing prior to its placement within a bottle, and may not be treated in any way.

In comparison, water that is treated by a municipal supply must undergo constant testing and laboratory analysis in order to be an approved public water supply. If a public water supply does not meet the certain minimum standards, set by the US EPA, it is subjected to fines and may even be closed down. No private water supply undergoes such scrutiny, yet it is often bottled and marketed as being more ‘pure’ than tap water.

Before you buy bottled water – check the water source.
Most bottled water will list the source of the water that has been placed inside the bottle. The source may say something like pure artesian well water, spring water, or even list a municipal water source. If the source is not listed on the bottle, do not purchase the bottled water. What do these terms mean to the consumer?

Artesian Wells – The term ‘artesian’ is a hydrogeologic term, not a term for water purity. ‘Artesian’ describes a specific type of well, not the water in the well. Artesian wells are different from water table wells. All this means is that the level of water in the well, when the well is not being pumped, is higher than the formation that surrounds and contains the aquifer, or water-producing geologic formations. Take a look at the illustration. You can see that the top of the aquifer is confined by an impermeable layer. The water within the aquifer is under pressure, so the water in the well rises above the bottom of the confining impermeable layer. Therefore, the term ‘artesian’ just means that a well is operating under pressure—it makes no claim to purity or quality of the water.

Springs – The term ‘springs’ is also a hydrogeologic term, not a term for water purity. A ‘spring’ refers to the water that is traveling through a geologic formation, in such a way that it naturally comes to the surface. Water that comes from springs is moving downhill on top of an impermeable layer within the geologic formation, until it reaches an outlet at the ground surface. Take a look at this illustration. You can see that a spring requires an impermeable layer for the water to be caught and transported to a point where it reaches the surface. Water from a spring is no more pure than any other groundwater.

Municipal Water Supply – Usually, the bottled water will list the source of the supply as XCity Water Company, or will use the term Municipal Water Supply. A municipal water supply is also not a term describing the purity of the water, other than, to be a municipal water supply, the water has been treated, whether its source is a surface water supply, a groundwater supply, or a combination of both. If you are curious as to the quality of a municipal water supply, this information is readily available to the public through the EPA’s Website, Consumer Confidence Reports. Follow the links to Where You Live to find out about the water quality for your municipal water supply, or for source water of your bottled water.

What is the water quality in a Municipal Water Supply?
As discussed above, you can check the water quality of any municipal water supply by visiting the EPA’s web site that lists the Consumer Confidence Reports for all municipal water supplies in the US. Every municipal was supply must, by law, supply this report to the US EPA, which then checks the accuracy of the report from the results of water quality analysis performed on the municipal water supply daily, weekly, monthly, and quarterly.

Municipal water supplies perform hourly and daily tests of many of the constituents within water, and, for those constituents not required for daily testing, water samples are collected and analyzed weekly, monthly, or quarterly. To see a listing of the materials that are required to be tested, visit this EPA Web site for Drinking Water Standards. This site lists the Primary, and Secondary drinking water standards, the Volatile Organic Chemicals, (VOC’s), the Synthetic Organic Compounds, (SOC’s), Disinfectants, Disinfection By-products, Micro-organisms, and Radionuclides that are tested constantly for all municipal water supplies in the US. This web site also lists those chemical constituents that will be tested in the near future, and information about specific contaminants that many municipal water supplies test for that are not on a required list.

A private person wishing to have their water tested for these chemical constituents must contact an EPA-approved laboratory, collect the samples in the manner specified by the laboratory, and overnight mail the samples to the laboratory with many of them iced down. The cost is approximately $5000 - $8000 for one set of samples. Bottled water is not required to perform this stringent testing regimen, nor it is regulated by the water quality experts, because bottled water is considered to be a food product.

But what about chlorine in the water?
Chlorine is highly effective in producing bacteria-free water, which is what most customers want. Chlorine in water has probably been the single most important health benefit for mankind, because it keeps water supplies clean and safe to drink. The complete elimination of deadly diseases such as cholera, typhoid and other water-borne diseases is now taken for granted by the population.

Chlorine has been in use since the early 1900’s and has overwhelmingly proved its effectiveness since that time. Chlorine is as important to safe drinking water as the smallpox vaccine has been to smallpox. Even water that has been disinfected by other methods, (example: ultraviolet radiation), must maintain a certain chlorine residual at its farthest point from the treatment source, and it is mandatory in most states. Despite the benefits of chlorine to mankind, many people have switched to bottled water because they don’t like the taste of chlorine.

But, what most people don’t realize is that the bad taste is actually due to an insufficient amount of chlorine residual in their water. If you can smell or taste chlorine in your drinking water, there isn’t enough chlorine residual in it. The proper dosage of chlorine to maintain the required minimum residual of “free” chlorine is the important key. If the residual falls below the “free” minimum, the reforming of the chlorine atoms produces chloramines and chlororganics-- and that is what produces the taste and odor.

So, what do we do? You can buy a water filter, such as a filter containing activated carbon. An activated carbon filter will remove the chlorine from the water so that it has no taste, and will also remove certain other chemicals. But it will do nothing for many other chemical constituents in the water, and may, in and of itself, become infested with bacteria, so that it makes the water even less pure than the water coming from the tap.

If you decide to purchase an activated carbon filter, buy one that will fit in a pitcher and replace it as frequently as is recommended by the manufacturer. Carbon filters placed on a faucet or within a refrigerator often become clogged or need replacing, and they are so much trouble to fool with, most of us don’t bother. Wrong! Be sure to replace these filters at least as often as is recommended, and don’t rely on the filters to do anything more than remove the chlorine from the water, if you don’t like the taste. Other contaminants may need a longer contact time to be removed from the water, or a different form of activated carbon to remove the specific contaminant.

Consumers may also be startled to learn that many of the bottled waters contain carcinogens, cancer-causing chemicals, in amounts that exceed federal standards. If these chemicals are found in bottled water, there are no regulations that require the public to be notified, unlike for a municipal water supply. The Kansas Department of Health and Environment conducted a study of 80 bottled water companies and found that there were carcinogenic chemicals in 15% of the bottled water, and nine of the chemicals tested were discovered to exceed federal limits. (For more information, please go to this Water and Wastes article.)

More to come!
The Truth about Bottled Water, Part 2
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Dowser

Just as a brief intro-- I am a hydrogeologist who has worked in the water industry for 30 years. I am not a chemist, nor a micro-biologist, nor a health professional. But my career has been dedicated to located and protecting water supplies. Hence, this article.

I will try to publish Part 2 tomorrow!

This is not a political thread, nor is it trying to be. Please abide by the CoH in all your comments.

Thank you, in advance, for your comments.

  • 18 votes
#1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:01 PM EDT
Soph0571

Didn't know the science but I have been saying the same to the husband for ever....he still insists on his shop bought nonsense! great article:)

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:11 PM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

Excellent information. I drink bottled water every day, often carry it with me, but I never buy it. I clean used bottles, put in tap water, refrigerate it, and take it with me.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:19 PM EDT
Dowser

Soph, maybe he'll listen and drink your 'home-bottled' tap water! :-)

redshadow-- good for you!

Thank both of you for coming to see me!

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:25 PM EDT
One Miscreant

Thanks for more interesting info, Ms. Dowser. Will you be speaking about phthalates and water? In our house, it's not about "paper or plastic", it's about "Plastic or Glass".

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:29 PM EDT
redshadowwithgreenbackground

Soph ands Dowser together. How can I resist visiting.?

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:42 PM EDT
Javabean88

Good info! I am no hydrogeologist, but I have been telling my husband that for years. Not that he listens to me--he spends a bunch of money on that Fiji or Evian water. It is insane how many bottles build up--I batch them and take a whole bunch to the recycling plant. It is embarassing--I actually have to get help to bring them in, lol. I think I will show him this article. I only buy bottled water if I have to--such as if I am traveling long distances on the road. We have a reverse osmosis filter from Culligan at our house--I have several big reusable bottles that I fill with the filtered tap water and drink that. Anyway, looking forward to part 2.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:50 PM EDT
Dowser

Yeeeehaaaa!

I've been working on research today for Part 2, but our printer broke down, and I need to print up my sources to make sure I'm not leading anyone astray...

Take care, Javabean! good for you!

Redshadow, you know you are welcome and wanted, any time! :-)

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:53 PM EDT
rochart

Hey Dowser,

Have you got any info on prescription drugs in municipal water? I have read that some areas are having issues with this.

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:53 AM EDT
MBach30

Excellent article Dowser! This was as awesome as your previous post of your photography of that water treatment facility!

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:36 AM EDT
cookin mama

rochart there was a story yesterday on the early show i believe about what to do with your scripts. Never ever flush them down the toilet on the drain bad bad for you and the environment.

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:41 AM EDT
Dowser

I'm sorry I'm late getting here-- nothing is showing up on my tracker! Arghh!

rochart-- Of course this has been an issue at the water company, and we have tested for the most common problems, but so far, we haven't seen anything above detectable levels. Part of that may be the volume of water moving through the Ohio River, etc. Dilution is the solution to pollution...

MBach-- thank you so much! I'm glad to like this!

cookin-- I think I need to publish a little thing of disposal of medical wastes, don't you? Much love

Thank all of you for coming by!

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:48 AM EDT
rochart

Oops, Louisville is included in the study for prescription drugs in the drinking water supply.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/%2023503485/

There are many other sources for this info with a simple search.

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:01 PM EDT
Robert Erickson

Louisville has the safest water in the country. These pharmaceuticals are measured in parts per million or trillion. Pople dumping them are the culprits, not the water companies. Oops.

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:10 PM EDT
rochart

I am not arguing safest and took Dowser at her word. I trust her.

The facts are that the drugs are there. Parts per million-billion-trillion all add up. Such things accumulate in peoples body fat. Just like GMO, the facts now show that those modified genes and chemicals get stored in your body fat.

Who can say at this point if drug interactions are causing problems within the human body? Obviously we are all discouraged from taken certain medications in combination so what if you get dosed by drinking the water?

Also it has been shown that there are defects occurring in amphibians and fish in Colorado downstream from the municipal water facility. Cause...prescription meds.

  • 4 votes
#1.14 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:18 PM EDT
henry1966

For real safe and pure water you have to be in the Netherlands :-)

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT
Robert Erickson

Saying these drugs have cumulative effects is inaccurate. Animal mutations have been going on for millions of years. Long before man invented certain chemicals. However, since you trust Dowser, I suppose this controversy is ended.

  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:35 PM EDT
rochart

Robert,

Here you go believe what you will:

In addition to pesticides, pharmaceuticals, hormones, and other organic wastewater compounds, are also of
concern in the Bay watershed and the Nation. The USGS conducted a national study of emerging contaminants
that included sites in the Bay watershed (Kolpin and others, 2002). During the study, samples were analyzed
for 95 different emerging contaminants, including human and veterinary drugs, hormones, detergents, disinfectants,
insecticides, and fire retardants. At least one of these contaminants was found in 80 percent of the Nation’s
streams, with mixtures of the chemicals occurring at 75 percent of the sites. The most common groups detected
were steroids, nonprescription drugs, and insect repellent. Only 14 compounds have human or ecological health
criteria, and measured levels rarely exceeded any of the standards or criteria. However, little is known about the
majority of the compounds or their mixtures.
The USGS also published results of a study on pharmaceutical compounds having antibiotic resistance to
bacteria and their relation to nutrient cycling in sediments (Simon, 2005). The antibiotic oxytetracycline (OTC)
was found in bottom sediments in two streams that were studied on the Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake Bay.
OTC can produce changes in antibiotic resistance of indigenous bacteria and change the reaction rates of nitrate
oxidation by soil and sediment bacteria. These results indicate that OTC in sediments decreases the ability of
bacteria to alter nitrogen and phosphorous, which could result in increased loads of nutrients being delivered to
the estuary.
Studies have recently begun to document the potential relation between emerging contaminants and the
disruption of the endocrine system of fish in parts of the Bay watershed. Reconnaissance sampling for emerging
contaminants at several sites in the West Virginia part of the Potomac River Basin detected antibiotics in
municipal wastewater, aquaculture, and poultry-processing effluent (Chambers and Leiker, 2006). The highest
number and the greatest concentrations were found in municipal effluent. Previous results from USGS sampling
of the Potomac Basin by the NAWQA Program detected chlordane, DDT, and PCBs in streambed sediment and
aquatic tissues (Ator and others, 1998). Sediment from over one-half of the sites contained concentrations that
may pose adverse effects on aquatic life. There is a limited amount of information on these contaminants in the
Bay watershed and their impact on the stream ecosystems and fish populations, however. Therefore, the USGS
is beginning a more extensive study of the issue in the Bay watershed. More information can be found in the
chapter on fish health.

This is from the USGA and if you follow this link you can find the full report which is a PDF:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/united_states_geological_survey/index.html?inline=nyt-org

Here is an article which outlines the issue quite well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/science/earth/03water.html?sq=cornelia%20drinking%20water&st=nyt&scp=2&pagewanted=all

The facts are that the bottom of the food chain is consuming these materials. As they are consumed and moved up the food chain they become more concentrate. Think of Mercury in salmon or tuna, it is the same. Cumulative!

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT
Robert Erickson

Please find another site to nitpick. This pseudo-science is nonsense.

  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:39 PM EDT
One Miscreant

Robert-I curious why you think it is a pseudo science? If we are going to discuss "truth" are not government studies relevant?

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:56 PM EDT
Robert Erickson

My point is look at all the comments on this article. Do you see any difference between them and this drivel?

  • 1 vote
#1.20 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:05 PM EDT
Dowser

Wait! I turn my back, and everyone gets in a snit... I'm sorry, I was out in the field this afternoon, and missed out on all kinds of wonderful things!

I can not comment on the water company, because I am not an official spokesperson for the company. I am a part-time employee, whose office happens to be down the hall from the lab. And I'm not a chemist. I had chemistry in college-- but that was a long time ago, and I know just enough chemistry to get in trouble. :-)

In this article, as in all my articles, I am speaking as a private citizen, who just happens to work for a wonderful water company!

This is an issue that affects all of us. I will try to do more research and see what I can find.

Y'all are dear friends, each and every one of you. Please don't fuss at each other? :-)

  • 9 votes
#1.21 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:14 PM EDT
Robert Erickson

Yeah, alright.

  • 1 vote
#1.22 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:16 PM EDT
One Miscreant

Wait! I turn my back, and everyone gets in a snit...

I have a tremendous amount of respect for "Ms. Daviess County". *wink @ Dowser*

I would never intentionally undermine her work here. She has taught me much and not just about water. If any of my posts have done so, I apologize.

I was merely speaking about an honest discussion of the topic. If what was posted is inappropriate, it can be moderated. I do not pretend to know, if what others have posted is "drivel" or not. I'm sure, that it will come out in the wash anyway. Dowser is more than capable of defending any position and so are her friends.

Exactly, what is a snit anyway, dear? *winks again* I need to know if that's what i was doing?

  • 3 votes
#1.23 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:47 PM EDT
Dowser

Dear One-- now, being from around and about here, you know what a snit is! Irritation with one another?

Everyone, you all make wonderful points! Each and every one of you!

I don't know enough about pharmaceuticals in water to comment, other that to say, as a private person, that it sounds to me like it is a bad thing for all of us, and that, as far as I know, everyone 'official' is looking into it.

I love you all-- now, please guys, I'm not offended in any way, and I want, more than anything, for y'all to be happy. :-)

I have a tremendous amount of respect and concern for all of you!

*pouring healing balm upon the waters...*

Robert, my dear brother and friend-- I tried to reply to your email, but it wouldn't be delivered. And to prove how inept I am, I can't get it to be delivered... :-)

Now, please, lets all take a deep breath and think about something fun! Fast horses, flowered hats, snow-white suits and string ties, blankets of roses, and the taste of real mint...

:-)

  • 4 votes
#1.24 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:42 PM EDT
One Miscreant

now, being from around and about here, you know what a snit is! Irritation with one another?

I didn't think I was snit-ting. *snort*

It is a controversial subject. The main reason is that the science jury is still out. There are many reasons for that too. Some are political, but mostly it's because the human body is so complex, as are the subjects used to study this issue.

I went to look up phthalates, thinking I was a smarty pants and was quickly blown right out of the water. Phthalates are used in the production of plastics, among other things. So I thought I was trying to help your cause, when I really found out diddly.

Well not exactly true. I did find out that there is currently no acceptable levelsor guidlines. It's still controversial. If you don't know by now, I hate that term with a passion.

  • 4 votes
#1.25 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:57 PM EDT
Dowser

Yep. In some cases, it takes a lifetime to figure out what the effects of something can be-- 1) we don't have a lifetime to figure it out and 2) they haven't been around for a lifetime. :-)

A lot of stuff I look up, I feel the same way. Every day, I learn that there is so much more I don't know.

  • 6 votes
#1.26 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:02 PM EDT
economics101

I think its hilarious that in many municipalities where these bottle waters are sourced from, the demand for bottled water is so great it is causing serious problmes with the local water supply .... because it is the same water!

  • 1 vote
#1.27 - Tue May 4, 2010 11:39 PM EDT
Dowser

Do you mean in the quantity of the supply available?

Thanks for your comment!

  • 1 vote
#1.28 - Tue May 4, 2010 11:41 PM EDT
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PaladinUSA (redux)

Timely and informative. Thank you.

Better to purchase a good light sports bottle and fill them from the tap or drinking fountain; and save a trillion or so plastic disposable bottles.

imho

  • 13 votes
#2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:09 PM EDT
rottlady

Better to purchase a good light sports bottle and fill them from the tap or drinking fountain; and save a trillion or so plastic disposable bottles.

I agree with your there Paladin!

Good article Dowser!

  • 13 votes
#2.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:15 PM EDT
Dowser

That's part of Part 2, Paladin! Which is better, aluminum or steel or glass? And other questions about water quality concerns... If I get really brave, I may even mention fluoride...

Maybe not...

Thanks to both of you!

  • 13 votes
#2.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:19 PM EDT
PaladinUSA (redux)

:)

  • 8 votes
#2.3 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:22 PM EDT
rochart

I prefer glass myself but it is so hard to find.

  • 9 votes
#2.4 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:26 PM EDT
Dowser

Me too, but it is very hard to find. Fortunately, I have two very old glass insulated thermoses... That works well, and they keep it cool for me! :-)

  • 7 votes
#2.5 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:13 PM EDT
frostyone

Hey Dowser great article, I learned a lot from it already :)

sadly we have no choice but to get bottled water even for cooking because the tap water has such a high level of Fluoride in it that we were all advised by the base to not ever drink the water from our taps. On the up side they have a reduced Fluoride water tank that we can get all the water we want from on the base but we still have to store it in bottles for the cooler.

  • 9 votes
#2.6 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:55 AM EDT
Soovivers

Great article Dowser - information we can all use too. I appreciate the time you took to write this for us on NV.

(((((Dowser)))))

  • 10 votes
#2.7 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:35 AM EDT
Dowser

Poor frosty! I can't imagine how awful it is to not be able to trust your water supply... Take care, dear friend! (((((((((((frosty))))))))))))

Soovie, thank you so much! (((((((((Soovie)))))))))

  • 7 votes
#2.8 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:14 AM EDT
Sugartree

Dowser - please mention flouride in Part 2!!

  • 7 votes
#2.9 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:23 AM EDT
ReaperOne1Two2

This was an awsome article and helps to clear up many questions. Thanks.

  • 3 votes
#2.10 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:28 PM EDT
Dowser

Thanks, both of you, for stopping by to see me!

I will-- I was doing some extra research today, to make absolutely sure I wasn't leading anyone astray-- and our printer broke down, so I may have to wait until tomorrow, or put it in Part 3(?)

You all take really good care of yourselves and Thanks again!

  • 3 votes
#2.11 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:09 PM EDT
R. Donald Snyder

Here in Los Angeles many people look at you funny when you tell them you drink tap water, but it tastes as good as any bottled water I've tried. I've started drinking as much as 6 or 7 bottles a day as my Doc told me that drinking a lot of water will help with my kidney stone problems

In the past I've picked up a bottle of cold water while out if I was really thirsty, but I bring the bottle home and keep refilling it from the tap and putting it in the refrigerator to cool. Right now I have 5 bottles of water in the fridge and refill them as fast as I drink them.

  • 5 votes
#2.12 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:57 PM EDT
Dowser

Good for you, RDS! I know it isn't in style right now, but it really is a good thing-- Take care, my dear friend!

Please hug the pups for me!

  • 2 votes
#2.13 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:26 PM EDT
R. Donald Snyder

The problem is that when you hug the pups, they just want more hugs! They are affection vampires!

Well....OK....I am a willing victim.......;-)

Think I'll take some more pictures of them and then make up an excuse to post them.

  • 2 votes
#2.14 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:44 AM EDT
cookin mama

Randy your dogs are really sweet.

  • 1 vote
#2.15 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:42 AM EDT
Dowser

Randy-- you can post 'em just cause you want to! Or post them for me, for cookin mama, for whomever! :-) We all enjoy seeing them!

Darling cookin-- I never got an email, and my email is acting up. Sigh, I may need to sort through my inbox and delete some old things! :-)

  • 1 vote
#2.16 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:49 AM EDT
cookin mama

i sent it to the gmail one.

  • 1 vote
#2.17 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT
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rochart

Well written, spoken and done, Dowser.

I was aware of most of what you wrote however you have experience in this area so that is appreciated.

Most folks...don't have a clue and just trust the corporation until its too late.

  • 11 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:11 PM EDT
Dowser

Thank you so much, rochart! Thank you thank you thank you.

Take care, ok?

  • 9 votes
#3.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:20 PM EDT
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Stephanie-RN

Interesting information. Looking forward to part 2.

  • 9 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:12 PM EDT
Dowser

Thanks, Stephanie! Take care of yourself!

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:21 PM EDT
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mtherof3

((dowser))!

Thanks! What a GREAT article.

I don't drink bottled water, as a rule. I hate the waste, and I'm not all that picky. ;)

I've thought about doing a little research about the water at my house, but I'm not sure I want to know.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

  • 10 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:14 PM EDT
Dowser

You're so sweet! Thank you very much!

The only bottled water is the water I bottle myself-- because it is handy. I use a water company bottle, over and over again. They are dishwasher safe!

Just follow that link to your consumer confidence report, and you may be pleasantly surprised! :-)

  • 9 votes
#5.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:22 PM EDT
chelli

Mtherof3,

I was thinking about my mom's water--personal well....I had no idea that it cost that much to get it tested, as Dowser reported. Do you have a private well--as well?

  • 6 votes
#5.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:19 PM EDT
Dowser

United Laboratories, UL, is a good, EPA-Certified lab-- we use them a lot for our special testing. You don't have to do the whole dang shebang to feel pretty confident about your well water, but it is a good idea to do Secondary Water Standards, VOCs and SOCs, as a minimum. That is still pretty expensive, though.

  • 6 votes
#5.3 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:34 PM EDT
mtherof3

Hi Chelli!!!! :) oh, no I live in a city! I just do NOT want to know about the reports! lol.

I freak people out because of my love of tap water. I dunno, used to drink out of the hose in the summer growing up, so maybe i'm a little weird to begin with.

  • 5 votes
#5.4 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:37 PM EDT
Dowser

You sound perfectly normal to me! :-)

  • 6 votes
#5.5 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:49 PM EDT
mtherof3

I love that you are blue! (((dowser)))

  • 6 votes
#5.6 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:50 PM EDT
Dowser

We need to do a whole article about blue songs! :-)

I love that you are blue, too!

(((((((((((Mtherof3))))))))))) You're a peach! But I'm glad you're blue!

  • 6 votes
#5.7 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:52 PM EDT
CL1

Are you kidding???!!!! mtherof3 is NOT normal!!! -- that's why she is soooooooo funny!!

So now we know -- it's all due to the tap and hose water! ..heeheehee.

mther --- I think your smart to not want to know what is up with your tap water. ..Just something else to worry about!!

Dowser ---- So very nice of you to do a write-up about water, sources and the various types of sources, their properties - natural and not - and the effects of such. It is all very interesting! Will look for your next installment. ;) ..Thank you.

(yes, reverse osmosis is still recognized as top-notch; some of the bottling companies have come up with some high-tech systems of their own it appears.)

  • 7 votes
#5.8 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:26 AM EDT
Dowser

Darling CL-- you're a hoot!

Take care--

  • 5 votes
#5.9 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:16 AM EDT
mtherof3

mtherof3 is NOT normal!!!

You can say that again!

mtherof3 is NOT normal!!! --

Well, at least with the hose-water theory, I have an excuse : /

I'm going to use this!!!

  • 5 votes
#5.10 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:46 AM EDT
CL1

LOL!!!

  • 6 votes
#5.11 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:07 PM EDT
Reply
Cerridwen

This has been known for quite some time, though (for the reasons you state) not widely disseminated. Thanks for bringing it to the fore.

Reverse osmosis filtering perhaps gets the nod for drinking water purification...for the time being.

  • 12 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:23 PM EDT
Dowser

Oh yes, I can assure you that I'm not smart enough to be at the forefront of most scientific research-- only the very specialized things that go on at my own water company. And then, I can ask questions, but getting answers is sometimes like pulling teeth.

That is a great article you linked and thank you!

As far as I know, reverse osmosis is good for a lot of contaminants, but the membrane has to be changed regularly-- in fact, weekly in some places. Most household reverse osmosis machines fit under the sink and only purify 6-8 quarts of water a day. Hardly enough to cook with. But, if that is your only hope, that is your only hope. :-)

Thanks so much for stopping by!

  • 7 votes
#6.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:37 PM EDT
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cookin mama

Hi dowser great article by the way.

I have to filter by water it is soooooo hard. And i do not use water bottles. Why muck up the planet anymore then it already is. Also what an expensive way to buy water. I use a SS water bottle and wash it out once a week.

  • 10 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Dowser

That's the way to go, sweet cookin! Some hardness in water is good-- because it lines lead and copper pipes, so corrosive water doesn't eat up those chemicals and dissolve them in the water... but it sure can be a pain to deal with!

I love you, my dear friend. Remember me telling you about your namesake, my cousin? Her daughter just passed away, and I found out today. I haven't seen her since 1964, and now, I guess I won't be able to-- until I'm dead, too. :-(

  • 10 votes
#7.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:16 PM EDT
cookin mama

so sorry to hear about your loss. it is a great name is it not. (((((((()))))))))))))))))))))

ps i sent you an email.

  • 5 votes
#7.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:58 PM EDT
Dowser

It is a wonderful name, with many fond memories for me! :-)

I will go and check my email, dear friend!

(((((((cookin mama)))))))

  • 5 votes
#7.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:01 AM EDT
Cerridwen

And i do not use water bottles. Why muck up the planet anymore then it already is.

For real. What happens to all those plastic water bottles anyway?

Annie "The Story of Stuff" Leonard has created a new video in her series on humanity's obsession with "stuff" that traces the life cycle of bottled water nicely.

  • 5 votes
#7.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
Dowser

Thanks, Cerridwen!

Cookin-- my email is not working from the Contact Your Author button-- dang it. I need to report a bug, I guess. Do you still have my address? If not, I should have yours, I think...

Much love!

  • 5 votes
#7.5 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT
cookin mama

i sent it to the one i had. Not through the contact author button.

Cerridwen all that rubbish is swirling around in the pacfic ocean same with the plastic bags.

  • 1 vote
#7.6 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:46 PM EDT
Reply
Robert Erickson

Dowser, this is wonderful. I realized that I referred to you as a hydrologist in the camping conversation. I apologize. You know everything.

  • 8 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Dowser

Dear Robert-- hydrologist, hydrogeologist, what difference does it make? People probably understand hydrologist better, anyway! No need for apologies!

And no, every day, and I mean each and every day, I learn more and more about what I don't know. It is like climbing a mountain, and with each step, the clouds part, so I can see farther up the path. Plus, my hard drive is full, so I shed little crucial bits of data as I climb...

Oh well-- someday, it won't matter if I see the peak or not! :-)

  • 8 votes
#8.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:18 PM EDT
Robert Erickson

Look at the response here. Everyone loves you. I'm proud of you. Write more. You're very good, if you have the time?

  • 6 votes
#8.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:52 PM EDT
cookin mama

robert she has written lots of stuff, check out her column. They all are awesome reads.

  • 5 votes
#8.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:00 AM EDT
Dowser

Robert, I'm lucky to have such wonderful friends! I love the people here-- maybe they know that...

Sweet cookin-- I love to write, it is just the time that I don't have... :-)

There were a few errors on this, but I couldn't edit... And every comment I post says that it can be edited for 63 minutes or more. Do I need to send a bug report?

  • 5 votes
#8.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:02 AM EDT
Robert Erickson

There apparently some server problems being discussed: http://doctrine.newsvine.com/_news/2010/04/26/4208452-is-vine-just-slow-or-is-it-me-?last=1272341273&threadId=852682&sp=0&pc=25#last_1

That is a link to the discussion.

Vicks, bourbon, good Kentucky water, lemon juice, sleep. Dr. Robert

  • 5 votes
#8.5 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:17 AM EDT
Dowser

Thanks for the link! I'm glad to know it isn't just me...

On my way-- :-)

Take care, Robert, and please sleep well--

  • 4 votes
#8.6 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:21 AM EDT
Robert Erickson

cookin mama. Thank you. I've seen her work. I don't know how she does it with all the other things she's juggling. She puts her whole heart into whatever she does. The writing, the photographs. I think we're lucky to have her.

I'm sorry to about your cousin's daughter. Take care.

  • 5 votes
#8.7 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:22 AM EDT
Dowser

Both of y'all are just too sweet! Thank you, both of you, for your words of encouragement and support!

Thank you, Robert. I hadn't seen her in a long time, but I always loved her, and we kept in touch. She was a lovely lady, and a very loving person.

Thank you for your sympathy and understanding. It helps more than you can know!

  • 5 votes
#8.8 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:57 AM EDT
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chelli

Hey Dowser!

I love to log in and at the top of my tracker is my favorite H2O expert! This information is great! I will definitely have to show this to my husband, who only likes certain bottled waters and filters all the rest with the pitcher/refrig. process. I had no idea that bottlers don't have to report standards, let alone follow them! Very scary.

I do have a few questions for you, and they will probably be addressed in Part II, but I'll ask anyways. I have heard that one of the things people are missing if they use only bottled water is flouride--is there real merit to this? I know the purpose is for teeth, and I have seen it purported that kids have more cavities without it. Do you have any ideas or knowledge about the mineral composition of the water and their importance to our health in tap vs. bottled water? Also, any thoughts on "reverse-osmosis"? I only ask because I know you have tons of experience and knowledge. Please just say you don't know, if that is the case. Otherwise, I am certainly capable of looking these up on my own. Thanks for the info. I will definitely be looking forward to Part II!

  • 7 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
Dowser

Darling chelli! I'm so very glad to see you!

Yes, you usually don't get fluoride in bottled water, because it isn't added-- BUT, it depends on the source. Some bottled water that uses municipal sources will have fluoride, because it is added during the treatment process of the water. Some bottled water uses municipal water that already has fluoride in it naturally-- and they just don't take it out. It is tested to make sure that the water doesn't have too much fluoride.

Some spring water and well water already has fluoride in it, because it is naturally occurring, and no, we don't have any idea how much fluoride is in the water, because they don't test it.

Too much fluoride can be a bad thing. But. As a school teacher I taught in schools and have visited many places that don't add fluoride to the water and yes, 10 year old kids have teeth that are 1/2 eaten by cavities, because there is no fluoride in the water.

I promise that I will deal with other minerals, including fluoride in Part 2-- It is a real hot-button topic.

May I say this, before anyone jumps my throat: adding fluoride is required by many states.

Golly, chelli! I do love you! Thanks for coming to see me!

  • 7 votes
#9.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:24 PM EDT
SeagullDeleted
Dowser

Thanks, Seagull! Fluoride in water is a very hot topic, but you are right-- it really does make a difference in teeth! :-)

  • 6 votes
#9.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:58 AM EDT
Reply
TheJonesGirl

Well done!

I am fortunate enough to live where we have great tap water. The only time I turn to bottled is when I am out and about and there is no other choice. I use a plastic bottle that I clean nightly for water at work or on the go.

My favorite bottled water story--last year, I was staying with family at a fancy hotel. My grandmother, whom I was rooming with, saw bottled water on the nightstand, opened it and enjoyed it. It wasn't until checkout that we realized the water was $11/bottle! The charge was in white tiny print on a clear water bottle, near impossible for even me, let alone an 80 year old to see.

As a joke, grandma and I went to the market and bought 2 bottles (glass, the hotel had been plastic) of the same water ($5 for the two) and presented them to my aunt who had paid for the rooms.

  • 7 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:34 PM EDT
Dowser

Thank you so very much! And thank you for coming by to see me!

Your poor aunt! Golly $11/bottle, was it 16 oz? IF all you used was 1000 gallons per month, it would cost $1,408,000 per month for your water bill. Most people use about 4,000 gallons per month.

Rip off, too!

Take care, JonesGirl!

  • 6 votes
#10.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:41 PM EDT
MJV in Wisconsin

IF all you used was 1000 gallons per month, it would cost $1,408,000 per month for your water bill. Most people use about 4,000 gallons per month.

Most people don't use bottled water for showers/baths, doing laundry and dishes, watering lawns, cooking etc.

I would guess that number would come down significantly if you just took into consideration, what is used only for drinking.

  • 4 votes
#10.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:07 AM EDT
Dowser

You're right, of course! But, depending on why people are drinking the bottled water, some people may wish to wash their dishes, by hand, in bottled water, brush their teeth, and certainly cook with it!

Some people drink bottled water for the convenience, (its portable), some because they don't like the taste of chlorine, and some because they don't trust their water supplies, for whatever reason. If you don't trust your water supply, you certainly want to use bottled water for anything that might be ingested-- Believe me, spaghetti cooked in water with a really bad taste of chlorine is going to taste like chlorine. And the coffee will be weird. :-)

Yes, $11 is ridiculous! And no-- no one is going to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a bottled water supply to bathe in. It is an exaggeration, for sure. However, bottled water is more expensive than a municipal supply. See part 2! :-)

Take care and thanks so much for stopping by!

  • 6 votes
#10.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:17 AM EDT
Reply
Jim Helbig

Dowser, what an outstanding piece of writing! I kind of knew some of this already, but I find underground water sources and karst geology very interesting subjects.

I have always been against buying bottled water. In fact, when it first hit the stores I thought it was an extremely idiotic product, but time has proven me wrong on that one. Except for a case of the stuff that I bought 3 years ago, which i still have, I have only bought 2 bottles in my entire life. I just thought it was crazy to spend that much money for something that was basically free or at least close to it at home.

I bought the case on the outside chance that friends might want some, but like I said, it's still sitting in my basement.

  • 10 votes
Reply#11 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:39 PM EDT
Dowser

It is still an idiot product, but a lucrative one, obviously! And Oh-ohhhh. We'll talk about shelf-life in Part 2... But, you may want to pour it out.

I love groundwater, karst, you name it. I'm not much on oil and gas, but water? Oh my! What fun! :-)

Please take care, dear Jim, and thank you from the bottom of my gizzard, for coming by to see me!

  • 7 votes
#11.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:43 PM EDT
Jim Helbig

You are welcome, Dowser, but just for the sake of argument, how low is the bottom of your gizzard? LOL!

  • 1 vote
#11.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:08 PM EDT
Dowser

My gizzard is pretty ding dang low, now that you mention it...

:-)

  • 2 votes
#11.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:12 PM EDT
Reply
Linda Luke

Thanks for this article!! Will enjoy part II no doubt ;)

  • 9 votes
Reply#12 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:40 PM EDT
Dowser

Thank you for coming to see me, Linda-- I hope to see you again, soon!

  • 3 votes
#12.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:43 PM EDT
Reply
Fed up in Missouri

Great article Dowser!! I love water! :)

  • 8 votes
Reply#13 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:09 PM EDT
Dowser

Dear Fed up-- thanks so much for coming by!

  • 4 votes
#13.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:49 PM EDT
Reply
Peter Faden

Great article...i new about the bottled waters, but the rest of the info was pretty new to me overall, and all of it was quite informative...Thanks!

  • 8 votes
Reply#14 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:13 PM EDT
Dowser

Dear Peter-- it is always good to see you! Thanks for coming by---

  • 3 votes
#14.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:50 PM EDT
Peter Faden

It's always good to see you as well Dowser, and i appreciate it! :)

  • 4 votes
#14.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:59 PM EDT
Dowser

You are a really good friend, Peter! I'm so very glad to know you!

  • 3 votes
#14.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:03 AM EDT
Reply
Anathema6205

Thank you for the info; I didn't know this!

The only issues I run into is consuming so much plastic, but the pipes we have are so old, so our water contains lots of contaminants. ><

I suppose I'll try to save the environment another way. ^^;

  • 4 votes
Reply#15 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:02 AM EDT
Dowser

I understand that we must all do what we can do.

If you run the water until it gets cold, you are getting fresh water from the main-- so the age of your pipes won't matter. You may use more water, but you know you're getting your supply directly from the main, without any lead or copper.

Take care, and I hope all goes well for you!

  • 2 votes
#15.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:04 AM EDT
Anathema6205

Thanks again! :D

  • 2 votes
#15.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:07 AM EDT
Dowser

You are most welcome! This is what our web site said, and we have a lead and copper pipe program, so I know they won't steer you wrong. (I work at the Louisville Water Company.)

Take care!

  • 2 votes
#15.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:11 AM EDT
Reply
calmandgentle

Dowser, WOW!! Fabulous article. It's amazing what is in our water. Or not! You are so smart!! I actually understand some of this info! LOL!! Will read this again ,later. This is a fabulous reference article. Looking forward to Part 2.

My Daughter lived on a Base in Montana and had to buy bottled water because of the minerals in their water were so high.

I was surprised that the Chlorine smell was NOT from too much Chlorine in my water. I always thought otherwise.

  • 6 votes
Reply#16 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:29 AM EDT
Dowser

Thank you so very much for coming to see me, dear calmandgentle!

It is a real eye-opener when you take a big slug of water and EW! it isn't what you're used to! Happens to me all the time, too... Your poor daughter!

I, too, was surprised to learn that it wasn't enough free chlorine in the water, and was due to too much chloramines and chlororganics... I learn something new all the time! I'm finally, after a long time gathering info, beginning to understand the why.

You know, I wonder if base housing must meet the same standards as everyone else. I mean, most public water utilities are regulated by state agencies, and I wonder if the state agencies have any say-so over a federal area... A good question to ask of someone!

Take care, and I'm very glad to see you!

  • 5 votes
#16.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:22 AM EDT
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Dubbya R

You know your subject; that was really well written and understandable Dowser...your points regarding carcinogen presence in bottled water is a bit unsettling.

I'm on home well water and a softener, slightly different set of issues with taste, etc...but only at home.

This is really good info, thank you, I look forward to part two.

  • 7 votes
Reply#17 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:08 AM EDT
Dowser

Hey there, Dubbya! I'm glad that you found this to be informative! Well water is a whole different set of issues, and most of the time well water is a great supply! Only in a few special cases, can it be icky... Of course, I was always called in when it was icky. ;-)

Take care, dear friend and thanks for coming to see me!

  • 5 votes
#17.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:26 AM EDT
CL1

Dowser, I'm on well-water as well. State testing is required quarterly. It can be a great source, as you say.

I am sorry for your loss, as well. ))))))Hugs((((((

  • 4 votes
#17.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:31 PM EDT
Dowser

Thank you, CL-- I hadn't seen her in forever, but I still loved her very much, and we talked on the phone regularly. She was a very classy, lovely lady!

  • 3 votes
#17.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:13 PM EDT
Reply
henry1966

Very interesting Dowser. Thank you :-))

  • 3 votes
Reply#18 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:27 AM EDT
Dowser

Thank you, henry! Hope you have a great day!

  • 3 votes
#18.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT
Reply
agm65ccip

tag for reread, looks good though :-)

  • 3 votes
Reply#19 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:28 AM EDT
Dowser

Thanks a bunch! I hope it helps!

  • 3 votes
#19.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:14 PM EDT
Reply
hvymtl83

If you want great tasting purified water, install a reverse osmosis system. We did it several years ago for our drinking and cooking water. We reuse glass or polyeth plastic bottles from commercial tea or other soft drinks. DO NOT reuse bottled water or most sports drinks bottles. Some of these are made from polycabonate plastic which contains bisphenol A, a known endocrine disruptor and hormone mimic (along with other really nasty biologic properties). It tends to leach when washed in hot water. Use glass or the opaque whitish polyehtylene bottles.

  • 4 votes
Reply#20 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
Dowser

EW!

Thanks for the tip, hvymtl! With the reverse osmosis, just be sure to change the membrane frequently-- that keeps it from getting bacteria and stuff in it. :-)

Hey, everything needs some maintenance, doesn't it? Take care and thanks for your comment!

  • 3 votes
#20.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:15 PM EDT
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Mrs D-1475814

Thank you so much for this article Dowser. I learned a lot of things I didn't know and I guess never even thought about. I think I will stick to plain old tap water from now on. (oh, and purchase my own personal water bottle). :-)

Dowser I'm so very sorry for your loss. I pray that your cousin, family and friends will receive comfort from God. (((((((((Hugs for you Dowser & your family))))))))

  • 5 votes
Reply#21 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:21 PM EDT
Dowser

Darling Mrs. D! We have so little family left alive, so we have had a reduction of 20% of our force, so to speak... She will be missed, very much! Thank you so much for your kindness-- I pray very hard for her dear daughter, who is suffering from MS, and has no other family, other than us, a few cousins... Please pray for her. She is such a good person!

Thanks for coming by to see me, Mrs. D!

  • 4 votes
#21.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:17 PM EDT
Mrs D-1475814

Dowser... you are always in my prayers and a few other people on NV. Some people are just too special to forget. :-)

  • 3 votes
#21.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:16 PM EDT
Dowser

Mrs. D, you are such a good friend! Thank you for your prayers!

  • 4 votes
#21.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:16 PM EDT
cookin mama

is her MS under control i had a cousin pass from it years ago and I have another who has it now.

    #21.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:51 PM EDT
    Reply
    Andrew-1162039

    Wonderful article. A few things I didn't know, and lots I'd forogotten. My father was an environemntal engineer who specialized in water treatment and I was bored with some of this stuff more than once at the dinner table. Look forward to looking up my municipality and seeing how our water stacks up.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#22 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT
    Dowser

    Growing up with something, you can't help but absorb some of it-- but it can be boring... Those of us that do this all the time, love it-- and the rest of the world thinks we have a screw loose somewhere!

    I wish I could have met your father, I bet he was a really nice guy! (All water people are nice people, for some reason...)

    Take care, Andrew!

    • 5 votes
    #22.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:18 PM EDT
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    colonelcolonDeleted
    Tom Daley

    Bottled designer water is an accessory like a watch or cool bling. Most tap water is just as good, but you don't look hip enough for prime time. The club girls have the right idea, pour vodka into a Red Bull and make it a night to not remember.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#24 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:54 PM EDT
    Dowser

    LOL! cute, Tom! Thanks for coming by!

    • 2 votes
    #24.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:33 PM EDT
    Reply
    redphish

    Another thing many people don't think about is if bottled water is not stored properly, it can become a growth medium for certain bacteria.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#25 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:02 PM EDT
    Dowser

    very true, redphish. Despite the FDA's use of a 2 year shelf life, the water company is saying 3-6 months. 6 months if stored in a cool, dark place. :-)

    They are still working on this number and performing tests, so don't hold me to that number. :-)

    • 3 votes
    #25.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:35 PM EDT
    redphish

    I read about a study done a few years back here in Florida and remember being surprised at how many of the samples that they tested had some pretty nasty bugs. I'll see if I can't find it again.

    • 1 vote
    #25.2 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:14 AM EDT
    Dowser

    When you do, please give us a link, if you don't mind! thanks!

    • 1 vote
    #25.3 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT
    One Miscreant

    See #1._

    • 1 vote
    #25.4 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
    Reply
    PenniD

    Thanks for the information, Dowser! I have been drinking out of the tap (and sometimes the garden hose, but never the toilet) all my life. I have always suspected it was just as good as the 'bottled' stuff. Now I can convince the rest of the bottler buyers!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#26 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:58 PM EDT
    Dowser

    OH Penni, I'm so glad you're back!

    Thanks! I'm glad you liked the article! Help me convince them, Penni! We'll stop making so many plastic bottles! :-)

    • 3 votes
    #26.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:59 PM EDT
    frostyone

    well she convinced this family to avoid the bottles :)

    • 3 votes
    #26.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:00 PM EDT
    PenniD

    I'll have to find the link again, but I read an article that there is an area in the Pacific Ocean the size of Germany that is filled with plastic! That is scary, no?

    • 2 votes
    #26.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:01 PM EDT
    frostyone

    Ah the Great Pacific Garbage Patch

    • 2 votes
    #26.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:03 PM EDT
    Dowser

    Very scary! Very very scary!

    Someone said that you could make a chain of unrecycled plastic bottles that would reach around the circumference of the earth 2 or 3 times. Not a good thought. At all...

    I'm so glad to see you both!

    • 2 votes
    #26.5 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:09 PM EDT
    CL1

    HI PenniD --- I don't know where you went, but hope to 'hang out' with you here again. Things sure get crazy, but now that I'm "jaded" - you should find me quite 'easy' these days!! lol.

    Yes, I read the articles on the "blob" in the ocean - it isn't pretty! ...yuck!

    • 2 votes
    #26.6 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:15 PM EDT
    Dubbya R

    ...an area in the Pacific Ocean the size of Germany that is filled with plastic!

    The 'Great Pacific Garbage Patch', (NOAA info- link), and it's not the only one. There is another in the North Atlantic (Nat. Geo. link), reported on in early March, and there will probably be others found, now that more people are paying attention to the issue.

    • 3 votes
    #26.7 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:17 AM EDT
    cookin mama

    dowser it is bigger then the state of texas and we also have one growing in the altantic ocean

    Yippee happy days are again our Penni is back.

    • 3 votes
    #26.8 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:18 AM EDT
    John Galt-1207820

    PenniD So good to see you back..You have been missed by many..Hope all is well.

    cookin mama, Here is an article by Calvin on building an island out of the garbage patch.

    http://tang.newsvine.com/_news/2010/04/14/4158279-architects-dream-of-turning-great-pacific-garbage-patch-into-habitable-island

    Dowser..Great article..Looking forward to the 2nd one...

    • 3 votes
    #26.9 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:44 PM EDT
    Dowser

    Dear John Galt! You have been missed, as well!

    I'm still working on Part 2! Soon to come, I hope!

    ((((((((John Galt)))))))))))

    • 1 vote
    #26.10 - Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:49 PM EDT
    rottlady

    Waves Hi to PenniD! Good to see you back online!

    • 3 votes
    #26.11 - Sat May 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT
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